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sam cali

Dear all,

I am a Muslim, I believe in the God of the Christians and the Jews, he is the one and the same got that I as a Muslim believe in. We are one world, created by one got and going the same direction. Why we have the same way of birth, the same direction to the death?? I believe in Abraham, Jesus, Moses, Joseph, John the Baptist etc. Got has created us this small world and ordered us to be good to each other, not to kill, have a life of moral and humanity! It would be sooooooooo simple if we just follow his words!

President Obama is good, very good, let all of us follow him and at least try to understand the way he is choosing for us. We don’t need to kill, to destroy life of other peoples. Got created us and only he is the one who could take it back, not us, the human. We are all the same, some darker and some of us lighter in skin color. Sooooooooooo please let us have a good life all together, the life nowadays is short and fast anyway! To all people around the world, PLEASE open your hearts and STOP hating each other!

Goffredo

Treaty of Tripoli, 1797, look it up.

Do Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Tunisia all have a Constitution similar to ours? Then why would we tell them that they are "not a Muslim country"? Why would we care WHAT they call themselves? Our country was not founded upon Christianity or Islam or any other religion. Fact. My guess is those countries with a high Muslim population were founded upon Muslim principles long before they had a working constitutional republic.

Your outlandish statement that Obama has diminished Christianity is so irrelevant it is barely worth addressing. The simple fact that in the beginning of his speech yesterday he identified himself as a Christian in the epicenter of the Muslim world does not appear to be diminishing anything.

Go back to listening to Limbaugh and Hannity for more of your fact-less talking points.

When did Christianity include hate and self-pity?

ellerich

The Qur'an:
Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Qur'an (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.

Qur'an (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah..."

Qur'an (3:118) - "O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand." This verse not only warns Muslims not to take non-Muslims as friends, but it establishes the deep-seated paranoia that the rest of the world is out to get them.

Qur'an (9:23) - "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers" Even family members are not to be taken as friends if they do not accept Islam. (This is the mildest interpretation of this verse from the 9th Sura, which also advocates "slaying the unbeliever wherever ye find them").

Qur'an (53:29) - "Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world."

Qur'an (3:85) - "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."

Qur'an (3:10) - "(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire." Those who do not believe in Muhammad are but fuel for the fire of Hell (also 66:6, 2:24. 21:98).

Qur'an (7:44) - "The Companions of the Garden will call out to the Companions of the Fire: "We have indeed found the promises of our Lord to us true: Have you also found Your Lord's promises true?" They shall say, "Yes"; but a crier shall proclaim between them: "The curse of Allah is on the wrong-doers" Muslims in heaven will amuse themselves by looking down on non-Muslims in Hell and mocking them while they are being tortured (see 22:19-22.

Qur'an (1:5-7) - "Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray" This is a prayer that Muslims are supposed to repeat each day. "Those who earn Thine anger" specifically refers to Jews and "those who go astray" refers to Christians (see Bukhari (12:749)).

Tommy De Seno

I have to wonder why me detractors here are not answering the simple question posed by the column:

If it is not OK to call America a "Christian Nation" why is it OK for Obama to call Turkey and Indonesia, also secular governments, "Muslim Nations?"

Maureen Puddle

This President supposes to speak for AMERICA when he states America is NOT a Christian Country! BUT he does NOT SPEAK FOR the 87% of active and committed Christians of this Nation and He certainly does NOT speak for me.

He is simply speaking for himself and for those who deny America its rights to be CHRISTIAN. The Government does not represent the People or the view of the People.

This President speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Racing with the hares and running with hounds! How pathetic is that!!

Imagine if the leader/president of a Moslem Nation also with a secular constitution such as Egypt or Indonesia got up and said their Country was NOT A MOSLEM COUNTRY!!
They would speedily be deposed of and probably face the final solution!

ENOUGH! His views make no difference at all to America's IDENTITY as a CHRISTIAN NATION and let all the seculuarist's and those who are offended because they are choose not to be Christian, scream and yell as much they like! It changes nothing! Christians make up at least 87% or more of the population of America which makes it a CHRISTIAN NATION!

LHM

If President Obama wants to embrace Islam so much, I would like to politely suggest that he take a flying leap back to his homeland in Kenya and live there. I still cannot believe the American public voted this guy into office??? If they elect him again for a second term, the U.S.A. will definitely sink even further into a quagmire. I lived in a ME country for six years, made some good Muslim friends, but when push comes to shove, the hatred of the infidels and the violence towards them always surfaces in Islam??

Justin Eggley

Tommy,
you provide no proof that Obama says that it is ok for us to call a muslim-majority nation "muslim nation". Its contrary to what he wants. He wants all secular governments to be called "christian -majority nations" or "muslim-majority nations" rather than christian nations or Muslim nations. What is wrong with that? you provide no evidence that he is not consistent with labeling nations as such, except for the whole "muslim capitol" thing, which you don't even say directly where he said that and none of your quotes are in any type of context. And you use those few quotes and a general presumption that he's evil to say that he's a Dhimmi? He has not proposed any law making Muslims first class citizens, and has no foreign policy that makes muslim-majority nations to have precedent over others. the closest thing you have is that he tries to make muslim population sound larger, and because of that he's racist?
Your question is clearly slanted, in bias fashion. You words are not respectable.

Justin Eggley

oh ya and by the way I am a journalism major and i understand the more blogposts, the more adspace you get. So the more rediculous statements you can make, the more posts either for or against (your goal is to divide people), and you make money. Good job, glad i could help.
And you do have a reasonable point that Obama goes out of his way to call us not a christian nation but doesnt go out of his way to say we are a christian-majority. And thats a reasonable gripe and debate about how far we should try to portray ourselves are a secular government while offending our christian people. But that would be a reasonable topic, and you don't debate reasonable topics, just imflammatory ones, like Obama being racist.

Jon Bliss

I am a Christian and I have to consider what is being said by Obama as a citizen and as a Christian and the fact of the matter is that when I look at the Christianity of Christ and the early church I see a very different church and cultural experience than I see in the United States today. I do not know where the President is going with his ideas but I think that it is time for Christians in the United States to stop fighting the language and look at the facts, claiming to be a Christian does not make one a Christian and as you say 78.5% of our citizens claim to be Christians but do they act like Christ or the rest of the early church? Those followers supported their country and did not try to force anyone to join them. They allowed others to make their own choices after they shared what they believed. When I look at this founding of the United States I also see a different culture than I do today. We are not only a Christian Nation and to say that we are as you adamantly proclaim is to do exactly what you accuse the President of doing. You demote much of our population to 2nd class citizenship... We are a nation where many ideas and many ways of life come together to work together. I see one thing that President Obama has seen clearly we need to stop fighting and allow others to believe what they believe and let them live according to their beliefs with dignity. We need to stop judging others and consider if we are living in love toward all of our neighbors. I am not threatened by the idea that we are not a Christian Nation, Jesus lived in a Roman nation, as did Paul and when I look back at the entire Bible I see that only when the Jews and Christians were living in a non-Jewish/Christian nation did they thrive. When they were comfortable in their Jewish Nation they constantly fell away from their faith and their devotion to the calling of God..... We cannot convince anyone to follow our lead if we are not leading, and if we are demanding that they do everything our way. This country was founded on the idea that we can allow many people to debate the truths we live by because when we debate we are forced to consider what we believe. In the end the truth is always the truth regardless of how many alternate theories there are floating around and it will always be right there when we are willing to admit that we may be wrong. I do not know where he is going but I do know that the President is at least opening the debate to all sides and by doing so he is opening the doors of truth. Just my thoughts....

The Stiletto

Saw your column on Fox Forum. I agree wholeheartedly:

Deconstructing Obama’s Cairo Speech
http://thestilettoblog.com/2009/06/05/the-daily-blade--deconstructing-obamas-cairo-speech.aspx

Goffredo

Islam is the state religion of Egypt. No one ever called Obama's speech in Turkey a "speech from a Muslim capital." Although, Turkey has a 99% Muslim population. You conveniently left that fact out, Jersey Boy.

You sound resentful that Huckabee did not get elected. The man wanted to change the Constitution entirely, making it based on Christian law..."God's law." If that happens, we know where Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are going. "Non t'inganni l'ampiezza de l'intrare..."

Ted Haggard called and needs a "Christian" massage.

Rick Garner

What's the change we really need? Find plenty of examples at: http://obamaprayers.blogspot.com

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